Saturday Open Thread For Members Only

By Gagdad Bob

Thoughts (with or without a thinker), questions, complaints, requests, either on today’s post or anything else.

Platotudes for the day: “The uncreated Word shatters created speech while at the same time directing it toward concrete and saving truth.” –F. Schuon

“Words are much more than mere words… Language easily accounts for (and therefore transcends) natural selection, which is precisely why natural selection cannot account for language: language is always one step ahead of the game, and to think otherwise is to attempt to give birth to one’s mother. Having said that, most people do not actually speak language, but are passively spoken by it, so that their thought becomes subservient to the viral properties of collective speech…” –L. Bob Gagdad, One Cosmos Under God

19 Responses to “Saturday Open Thread For Members Only”

  1. RiverCocytus Says:

    Guess someone’s gotta get this thing started.

    I just wanted to mention– I found it interesting– I recall hearing it many times as well.

    I recall ‘Zen and the art of Motorcycle Maintenance’ wheren Phaedrus destroys himself in search of a truth. That is, what is ‘quality’, really?

    A Troll This Way Comes seems to be espousing this position- for what reason I will not dare venture a guess, I think his reasons might just be a big circle.

    His position is of course that persuing any truth other than ‘love’ is death to everything. (Ignoring of course that a Christian would as Paul says, ‘die daily’.)

    Its a very hollow position, and like I said I wouldn’t attribute a motive to his position, mainly because I see his motives as circular, i.e. a love of handouts leads to handouts of love, or whatnot. I would ask if, in fact trying to discern his motives from his words and using that as a way to disarm him is playing his game? I suppose the best method would be to ignore what might be his motive (or just a cover for another motive) and take his words for face value.

    In other words, let the truth be truth and let the lies lie?

    Strange how quickly his position spiralled off into denying the truth.

    What do you think the reason for this ‘Phaedrus’ phenonmenon is? I have my own theories (incomplete unities, ghosts in the machine, etc.)

  2. hoarhey Says:

    My guess is “Rebellion without a Clue”.

  3. Ben USN (Ret) Says:

    Troll spoke the truth, when it said it was a troll.
    After that it completely fell to pieces.
    Then, an unhealthy fixation (and negative perception) of Cops and the use of force (primarily shooting) for any and all purposes.
    Then, came the redeafinconniptions.
    Obviously, it prefers a blurry languish to high definition language and mono infidelity to high fidelity.
    I suppose it’s funny, in a beavus and butthead kinda way,
    but there is no humore evolved.

    Excellent post, Bob!

  4. Ben USN (Ret) Says:

    Hey! Does this mean I’m a member?

  5. Ben USN (Ret) Says:

    River and Hoary-
    Did you leave the mic on when you left?
    Hello? Is there anybody out there?
    ….
    …….
    ………Well, this is saturday night.
    That means….

  6. Ben USN (Ret) Says:

    It’s time to play: “What’s that Line?, or Something”.
    I’ll start, so don’t you’all talk at once.
    Ahem…What does F. Schuon mean by “concrete”?.

  7. Alan McCann Says:

    Random book recommendation: Science and Sanity by Alfred Korzybski – an excellent book on how to better use (or abuse) language…

    http://www.amazon.com/Science-Sanity-Introduction-Non-Aristotelian-International/dp/0937298018/sr=8-1/qid=1163911251/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-8455651-9959364?ie=UTF8&s=books

    On ZATAOMM, I read it long before I started trying to go vertical but I remember associating “quality” with the magic I was seeking in life that I didn’t find in being a teenage stage magician (truth!)

  8. Ben USN (Ret) Says:

    Sorry, Alan, that wasn’t the answer I was looking for, but thanks for the random book recommendation.

  9. Lisa Says:

    Platotudes for the day: “The uncreated Word shatters created speech while at the same time directing it toward concrete and saving truth.” –F. Schuon

    Here’s my stab at it, Ben. Word being the big sense of the word as in Truth and derived from the One. It still exists whether spoken by a being or not. Concrete seems to imply that there is some direct unchanging truth. Implosion and explosion occuring at the same time and space. Infinity, duality, ….etc….dare I say, God!

    It’s actually really hard to describe in mere words, which is probably why Bob labeled it a Platotude. Others can probably explain it more clearly.

  10. Ben USN (Ret) Says:

    Thank you Lisa!
    That was a concrete answer!!
    You win the Cosmic Raccoon (TM) platotude prize!!!
    Redeemable at all Cosmic Raccoon (TM) locations.
    .

  11. NoMo Says:

    Thoughts do not exist without a thinker. Words do not exist without a speaker. Thoughts precede words. The Thinker / Speaker thought / said “Let there be light” — and there was light. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God…In Him was Life and the Life was the Light of men.” “And the Word became flesh and lived awhile among us”.

    You can’t get more concrete than that.

  12. Ben USN (Ret) Says:

    Thanks, NoMo.
    Sorry I can’t give you a Cosmic Raccoon (TM) platotude prize.
    Lisa won the only one that Bob didn’t lock in his safe.
    But you could’ve been a contender.
    However, I do have a consolation prize:
    A kleenex, blessed by Oscar Von Spock!
    I will send it to you, rush delivery, for only $7.77 (S&H)!
    Don’t miss out on this unique, once-in-a-lifetime offer.
    Everybody else who answers, correctly, will have to pay the going rate.
    No need to thank me, that’s just the kind of guy I am. :^)

  13. Lisa Says:

    Wow! Ben! I am honored! You really, really, like me!!!

  14. Gecko Says:

    Hi Infidels, and congratch, Lisa ,on the Cosmic Racoon award. I’m just reading Cutsinger’s meditations on Schuon’s teachings and by concrete I think he means absolute as in absolute Ttuth “there is no right superior to that of Truth”.

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