Thoughts and How to Think Them: Don’t Get Stuck on Smart

By Gagdad Bob

Good question, Stu! What is death all about, anyway? That’s an example of something that would require a very lengthy post, which I don’t really feel motivated to do at the moment. Another reader, Brian, suggested “top film recommendations for spiritual seekers.” That’s also not as easy as it sounds. Yes, I am a film school graduate, but that was in 1982, and I’ve seen very few films since then, since they almost always disappoint me — and I have very low expectations. All I ask is that a film hold my attention, which they rarely do. In a truly great film by a great director, every frame is captivating, with or without dialogue. That’s why I can see a film like Double Indemnity over and over, because each shot is so beautifully composed.

Speaking of rhythms, dissolution, and life and death, the psychoanalyst Bion (pronounced bee-on, by the way) had such an elegant model for the mind. He was my inspiration in trying to arrive at an abstract system of “empty symbols” to map the spiritual domain. It is not that my symbols are in any way “superior” to the realm they address, much less to the revelations they seek to comprehend. Rather, like science, they are abstractions that allow for “communication and storage” of ideas and experiences. They are like sound money — only good to the extent that they can be cashed in for the gold of pure experience.

Bion used just a handful of symbols to map the psychological dimension. One of these was what he called PSD, which is an abstraction from Klein’s delineation of the paranoid-schizoid and depressive positions, discussed in last Friday’s post (11-10-06). You needn’t be familiar with Klein’s concepts to understand that Bion looked at them in the way a physicist might look at outward phenomena — say, a falling apple, or the trajectory of a cannonball — and try to discover the underlying general law that explains both: gravity.

And once you have discovered the general law, you have the makings of a “logico-deductive” system that liberates you from the bewildering diversity of outward phenomena. You have a way to properly “think” about reality. Bion’s system is simply a way to think about the interior world, which is otherwise unthinkable and simply is. Just as the exterior world is a concrete “thing in itself” in the absence of science, the mind is equally impenetrable without a generative way to think about it.

I would argue that scripture is ultimately the same way. Spiritual simpletons believe that it “speaks for itself,” but this is rarely the case, otherwise we wouldn’t have the heroic exegetes and inspired commenters who disclose its underlying unity. I believe “revelation” represents an entire world which must be understood in roughly the same way we understand the material or psychological worlds.

Ultimately, PSD has to do with the unending mental process of breakdown and synthesis, or part and whole, or entropy and evolution. Bion begins with the idea — observation, really — that our minds are subject to thoughts, which in turn give rise to the need for a mechanism to think them. Casual observation will reveal how much of your own mind is “untamed,” so to speak, subject to the constant intrusion of these unruly thoughts without a thinker.

This is especially true in most any form of mental illness. In fact, looked at from a certain angle, any mental illness involves unwanted thoughts that are not coming from what we identify as our own ego. Rather, they’re coming from elsewhere. You can say “the unconscious,” but that’s just another word that allows us to imagine that we have understood the phenomenon — somewhat like primitive people who believe that to name something is to have understood it. But this is a form of pseudo-control that mainly serves to alleviate cognitive anxiety through premature closure, not to advance knowledge.

Instead of using the word unconscious, Bion simply used the symbol O to stand for the ultimate, unknowable reality, or noumenon. Likewise, he used the symbol ß (the Greek letter beta) to stand for “beta elements,” which are disconnected “thoughts without a thinker.” In themselves they are meaningless, but must be brought together in a coherent way by what he called alpha function, which is the quintessence of thinking, or O–>k. True thought is inherently creative, because it brings together a mass of particulars to reveal their underlying meaning. The meaning is paradoxically created and discovered.

What to do with thoughts? Few people realize that this forms the essence of the human condition. For one would think that the obvious answer would be, “think them, stupid!,” but that is rarely the case. The most popular alternatives to thinking one’s thoughts include projecting them (i.e., attributing them to others), denying them, acting them out (as opposed to understanding them), imposing a rigid and artificial coherence upon them, or drowning them in alcohol.

For example, it is a truism that our struggle with Islamo-fascism is with huge numbers of people who are incapable of thinking their thoughts. Instead, they are persecuted by thoughts that they cannot tolerate, which they promptly project into Jews and infidels. This is why we are literally their worst nightmare, as anyone who has visited memri.org can attest to. Projected thoughts, which are not under conscious control of the ego, undergo a monstrous transformation and return to the sender in an even more frightening form than when they went out.

But no matter how sophisticated your mind, you are still subject to this constant PSD dynamic, just as, no matter how healthy your body, you are still subject to metabolism (building up) and catabolism (tearing down). In fact, if we were to look at biology in a Bionian way, what is life itself but the dynamic interaction of MC (metabolismcatabolism), so to speak? If we say that metabolism is the essence of life, we would be very wrong, for in order for biological life to exist, there must be a “death” aspect built into it — a tearing down in order to rebuild, a disorder out of which a more robust order will emerge.

Now, there are many, many people who may outwardly look cognitively sophisticated, but who are simply holding on to a hypertrophied D function in order to avoid the persecution of PS. This would include most university professors, politicians, and theologians — in fact, probably most intellectuals, who superimpose a grid of (k) over O and essentially “call it a life” insofar as their cognitve development is concerned.

In short, intellectuals — for the simple reason that they have high IQs and are therefore capable of more intellectual defenses — arrive at an ideology (which is actually much closer to a myth) and then use it for the rest of their lives to keep persecutory thoughts (i.e., “uncertainty”) at bay. This is how you explain a Noam Chomsky, for example — someone who hasn’t been troubled by a proper thought in 40 or 50 years. Instead, he has a rigid ideology that represents the death of thought. But he projects this psychic death outward and calls it “America,” something about which he actually knows nothing. Rather, it simply serves the same purpose for him as the Jew does for Borat. Just a place to put unwanted thoughts for safekeeping. But you will notice that Chomsky is no less persecuted for it. In fact, his life revolves around doing battle with his own unwanted thoughts and ironically calling the tedious exercise “progressive.”

Not to belabor the point, but you will see this same process in the most vivid terms on the idiotorial pages of the New York Times or on websites such as dailykos. No thoughtful person could possibly confuse what Maureen Dowd does with “thinking.” Rather, she is simply “managing” persecutory thoughts in the best way she knows how. It helps that this defensive process is culturally sanctioned by her hidebound tribe of primitive and parochial Manhattanites.

Are there conservative ideologues who do this? Of course. Anyone who superimposes a rigid system of thought over reality is a pseudo-thinker. Having said that, it is nevertheless possible — a commonplace, actually — for an idiot to be on the side of Truth or a genius to be a proponent of the Lie. Countless wackademics are obviously stuck on smart. (The substance of the individual’s virtue often accounts for this, but that is a topic for another post; suffice it to say that many geniuses are nevertheless rotten.)

Now, this is not to day that certain unyielding truths cannot be won from the formless infinite void. Of course you can do that. But these will tend not to become dogma. Rather, they will serve as “stepping stones” for higher and higher syntheses. That is, your thinking will not become static as a result of pulling a couple of big fish out of the psychic ocean. Rather, these fish will literally “mate” and produce a third thing. In this way, a healthy mind is inherently dynamic and trinitarian, constantly giving birth to higher and deeper unities.

There is no end to the process, perhaps with one exception — the nondual mystic who has identified himself entirely with O, the ultimate reality and ground of being, the timeless tip-toppermost of the poppermost, all-embracing secret center of depth, the meaning of Within, first and last Truth of self, knowing without knowledge all that can be unKnown, existence to the end of the beginning, which tomorrow never knows. You know — that spaceless and placeless infinite, supremely real and solely real, our common source without center or circumference, no place, no body, no thing, or not two things anyway: blissfully floating before the fleeting flickering universe, stork naked in brahma daynight, worshiping in wonder in a weecosmic womb with a pew, it is finally….

And even they do not linger long in the nothing-everything. They either come back as bodhisattvas, or bang back into existence from nothing to something, or perhap take the shape of a household gnome who will help me write another unnarcissary soph-help book. Please, Petey?

*****

Hey now! Here’s a special treat for One Cosmos Under Dark Members only. My little brother on the dang TV with a cousin I didn’t even know I had, since most of my father’s side of the family is back in the UK. (There’s a brief commercial at the beginning.)

30 Responses to “Thoughts and How to Think Them: Don’t Get Stuck on Smart”

  1. NoMo Says:

    All of our thoughts are shared with God — we are never alone in our heads.

    That said, prior to being born spiritually (the Christian “new birth” in my belief), other than by horizontal influences, our thoughts are poorly governed (by only “the conscious control of the ego”). It is only after being “born again”, and literally having God’s spirit take up residence in us (whatever that exactly means), do our thoughts have a governor — are we able to discern revelation / scripture — do we become attuned to the vertical and actually begin the ascension (spiritual growth).

    I would conclude from Bob’s analysis that those who do not even have “the conscious control of the ego” are quite literally “mentally disordered”. Further, I have to wonder if the path to such disorder follows a vehement and determined denial of the vertical — to such a degree that, there came a point where the vertical is, in fact, no longer possible. Perhaps this is partly what Paul referred to in his letter to the early church in Rome, “Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.” (Romans 1:28. This is sort of a theme in the Bible, so there are a lot of other complementary passages). What if, at the point of being given over, the human, in effect, devolves into an animal — without even the potential to again be human? Frightening thought. Perhaps at that point, He “switches them off” — that is, no longer even hears their “thoughts” (if that is what they still are). Perish the thought.

    I know, a lot of conjecture here, but Bob is a great stimulant! I’ve nearly given up coffee.

  2. Gagdad Bob Says:

    Good point — there are quite obviously spiritual thoughts without a thinker that we must invite in, instead of push away or run from.

  3. Geraldo Says:

    That’s really your little brother????

    And that’s really a cousin you’ve never met????????

    I suppose that soon you will have some additional fodder for your Brahmanations.

  4. RiverCocytus Says:

    Breads and how to butter them; Don’t get stuck in a jam?

    (That was the first thing that came to mind.)

    NoMo, I think that the Holy Spirit does nag us from time to time even if he’s not our governor; its mostly like he sends a courier or knocks on the door (like in the scene in Macbeth with the Porter)

    Act II
    At the end of the humorous section…
    “Knock,
    knock; never at quiet! What are you? But
    this place is too cold for hell. I’ll devil-porter
    it no further: I had thought to have let in
    some of all professions that go the primrose
    way to the everlasting bonfire.”

    But I think, like for the porter, we know there are other things knocking too. We sometimes open the gate to find that perhaps, we shouldn’t've. But we ARE the porter. Some people finally get tired, lock the gate, and jeer everyone that tries to get in.

  5. brian Says:

    “Another reader, Brian, suggested “top film recommendations for spiritual seekers.” That’s also not as easy as it sounds. Yes, I am a film school graduate, but that was in 1982, and I’ve seen very few films since then, since they almost always disappoint me — and I have very low expectations. All I ask is that a film hold my attention, which they rarely do.”

    Well then, perhaps this would be a good assignment for your loyal readership. :) How about it fellow Bobbleheads, which films really move you into the vertical? Not just films that entertain or amuse, but transport…

  6. jwm Says:

    Brian:
    (cut and pasted from the other site)
    Films for spiritual seekers:
    Here are two.

    Spirited Away
    by Hiyao Miyazaki.
    Possibly the best movie I have ever seen.

    Nacho Libre
    Just out on DVD- There is one line in the film (which I will not give away) that, in light of our discussions here, will have you howling. An altoghether charming and uplifting piece.

    JWM

  7. RiverCocytus Says:

    I have always enjoyed Groundhog day. Though maybe its a bit too rudimentary? The Prestige (still in theatres) is a lot, lot, lot deeper than most other movies. I loved ’spirited away’ as well. Also, Howl’s Moving Castle is good.

  8. Alan Says:

    Re post: Solve et Coagula in the alchemical furnace – so it has been, so it shall always be – onward and upward!

    Re: movie – Fight Club is one that comes to mind for me.

  9. cosanostradamus Says:

    Joe Vs. the Volcano…

    Don’t laugh, it’s really a great (if somewhat flawed) tale of a despairing horizontal man who ‘knows’ there is something more, so by virtue of learning he has a ‘brain cloud’, abandons his dead-end life for a seemingly senseless journey to help a group of people he’s never heard of . A mysterious benefactor talks him into this, trading 30 days of a luxury yacht cruise with the ultimate sacrifice – jumping into a volcano to appease some islanders’ angry god .

    The key scene in Joe’s awakening, the spiritual core, occurs after the ship is struck by lightning and he’s floating at sea atop a raft (actually his precious waterproof luggage) with his clueless ‘guide’ Patricia (another story altogether). He becomes delirious from days of no food or water; he hallucinates an order in the universe in the form of astrological signs, but they fade away. Finally, one night, he struggles to his feet as…

    …the following is from the JVTV screenplay:

    A light appears at the horizon’s edge.

    An ENORMOUS MOON with slow majesty rises from the glittering sea, directly to Joe’s front. Joe and his little raft are utterly dwarfed by this great heavenly body.

    Though he is on the verge of utter collapse he is so moved by what he sees he clambers his way to his shaky feet and raises his arms over his head in complete reverence. He is dwarfed. He’s a bug. The raft is a mote in the eye of God. Joe is deeply moved, humbled, awestruck. The moon continues to ascend up and up and out of view.

    JOE looks at the stars that are simply stars. Sinking to his knees, he presses his hands to his breast.

    JOE says:
    Dear God, whose name I do not
    know, thank you for my life.
    I forgot…how big… Thank you
    for my life

    Joe slowly crumbles, physically crumbles from thirst and fever and exhaustion. His eyes dim.

    JVTV is worth watching just to arrive at this scene – where he becomes vertical – as mere words don’t begin to do it justice. I dare you not to be moved!

    Joe is Tom Hanks by the way, and Patricia (in 3 roles) is Meg Ryan. Some interesting cameos crop up too. The characters’ names and several recurring symbols are also critical to the deeper meaning behind what seems a silly movie.

  10. Paul G Says:

    Re: movies, I’ll second Groundhog Day. Others that seem to get my vertical gears turning:

    Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
    Memento (Kind of scares me every time I watch it)
    O Brother Where Art Thou

  11. brian Says:

    On films. I could list many, but three that stand out for various reasons are Rashomon, Schindler’s List, and the Black Stallion. I’ll also put in a word for Mifune’s 3-part Samurai series on the life of Musashi, especially the first part where Mifune is transformed from an animal into a human ready to seek perfection. The series is melodramatic, but Mifune can inject gravitas into any film, and the buddhist priest is the perfect spiritual father (at least if you don’t mind getting hung in a tree for days ;) ). And for specifically Christian films, I think the Gospel of John is inspiring, and Abraham with Richard Harris was done well.

  12. RiverCocytus Says:

    Fearless was pretty awesome, though I might’ve just been charmed by the excellent fighting.

    Something about warring to make peace.

  13. Michael Andreyakovich Says:

    My contribution to the “films for seekers” list: IKIRU by Akira Kurosawa. Guy works dead-end job in municipal bureaucracy. Passess off other people’s problems. Goes to doctor. Finds out he has stomach cancer and nine months to live. Goes out drinking. Bemoans the years he wasted at his dead-end job. Seeks hangover cure with co-worker. Gets brainstorm…. Nine months later, his coworkers are all drinking at his wake. Reminisce. Put together pieces. Realize he found something to give his life meaning. Swear to do the same…. Next day, all back at the same old jobs, passing off other people’s problems. Except one.

    Can’t tell you very much about the film without spoiling the experience.

  14. julie Says:

    It’s interesting that you should be posting about intrusive and unwanted thoughts just now. My brother, who has been staying with me for a year and a half while going to school and sorting his priorities out, will soon be moving back north near the rest of our family. In the last two weeks, he has been plagued by anxiety about the upcoming move. His worst symptom is that he just can’t stop thinking. We’re working through it, but it has been very difficult for him. After the move, he will be near both of our parents, so if the anxiety doesn’t go away (he thinks it will – the stress is the need to move forward with his life. His time here was very helpful, but he became complacent and now his O(?) is forcing him to act) they can help him through it, including helping him find a good doctor if necessary. It’s hard, though, to see the effects of this kind of mental stress on the people you love.

  15. NoMo Says:

    julie – Very weird, I sympathize AND empathize. One of my similar brothers is about to arrive and stay with us for a while. I have turned to deep breathing and st john’s wort — oh, wait that’s supposed to be for my brother…must be the anxiety talking / thinking. But seriously, there’s nothing harder than to stand by and watch loved ones suffering — but “standing by” is sometimes the best thing we can do for them.

    Makes me think of my own movie offering — “Being There”.
    Oh yeah, and “Pee Wee’s Big Adventure”.

  16. julie Says:

    Good luck, NoMo – I’m fortunate, in that my brother and I (and my husband) get along well, and my house is big enough that we can get out of each other’s hair when necessary. Most long term guests don’t work out so well. In fact, one of his issues is that he’s really going to miss us; prior to his staying here, we hadn’t been close as adults (I went away to college and only came home for a few months after that). I hope things work out well for you and your brother.

    As far as movies go, I have to agree with Spirited Away. Also in that vein, My Neighbor Totoro is very fun.

    For darker preferences, Frailty is very interesting, IMHO.

  17. HV Says:

    Bob, it seems that my mind can’t accept the identification with O, though my intellect occasionally “gets it” in moments of insight. It seems there has to be some shift, maybe in the unconscious to finally indentify with O. Or maybe that’s just a mistaken feeling I have. The non-dual mystics who I rely on say no, forget about the unconscious and the mind. Just stay with O. What do you think, does the unconscious and the mind have to undergo a shift?

  18. tsebring Says:

    Here are my films:

    Apocalypse Now (good example of where the downward journey can lead)
    The Hiding Place
    the Star Wars Sexilogy (downward and upward)
    the Lord of the Rings trilogy
    Contact
    Liquid Sky (good example of nihilism)
    Star Trek – The Motion Picture (first movie)
    What Dreams May Come
    Exorcist II – The Heretic (another downward one)
    Phenomenon
    2001 a Space Oddysey
    Meet Joe Black

    agree with Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Groundhog Day, Joe vs the Volcano, and Being There.

  19. Sal Says:

    Your brother lives here? Wow.

    A few more films:
    The Red Violin
    The Shawshank Redemption
    Black Robe
    Monsieur Vincent
    Tender Mercies

  20. Aquila Says:

    Mind if I pile on with more spiritually-oriented cinematic favorites?

    THE FISHER KING (Jeff Bridges’ character starts out as an utterly horizontal type, yanked into the vertical world by tragedy and guilt.)

    UFORIA (little-known film about flying-saucer cultists, starring Fred Ward and Candy Clark, that comically examines the whole nature of belief and myth.)

    A CHRISTMAS CAROL – George C Scott version (Scott plays Scrooge not as a monster, but as a thoroughly horizontal businessman, which was probably Dickens’ original vision.)

    IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE – (while we’re on Christmas classics…this timeless tale of redemption never seems to get old.)

    THE WICKER MAN – original version (an ostensible mystery-suspense piece puts the Christian and Pagan worldviews head-to-head.)

    ANGEL HEART (like MEMENTO, a study of what Arthur Machen in “The White People” called the essential *unconsciousness* of true evil.)

  21. Paul G Says:

    Just to expound a bit on my previous choices and how they “transport”…

    Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon is a movie I recently watched again and was completely in awe by the end. I was especially struck by how Chow Yun Fat’s character (very much a God figure) relentlessly pursues Zhang Ziyi’s character, trying to teach her, to transform her, to help her transcend. This in spite of her constant attempts to attack, escape or otherwise reject every one of his attempts. She believes that she doesn’t need him, that she has already achieved perfection without his help. There are so many themes dealing with our rejection of God, His pursuit of us in spite of our rebellion, the necessity of sacrifice, and the nature of sin running through this movie, it is definitely worth at least one viewing. The fact that the cinematography is absolutely stunning doesn’t hurt either.

    O Brother Where Art Thou draws a lot of its strength from The Odyssey, which is is based on, so it’s pretty much a given that it is a great story about a journey of transformation, sacrifice, and redemption.

    Memento just creeps me out every time I watch it. It deals with the essential frailty of what we call consciousness and life, the little systems that we come up with to try to make that fact manageable. The scary part comes in as the movie shows how readily we will willfully exploit the weaknesses of our own self-understanding, push a wedge into the chinks of our own rather feeble armor. Perhaps best viewed as a study in the hopelessness of trying to live a purely horizontal life with no Absolute reference toward which to orient ourselves.

    Others that come to mind, but I haven’t watched recently enough to expound on:

    Adventures of Baron Munchausen
    Rushmore
    Tombstone
    12 Monkeys

  22. Joan of Argghh! Says:

    Nice list, Paul, but I can’t believe you left off, “Time Bandits”…

  23. RiverCocytus Says:

    12 Monkeys is a really good study on how we determine what reality is, I think. Is his character really from the future? Or is he having visions? Does it even matter? Cool stuff.

    I recommended Howl’s Moving Castle, because of the underlying ideas – especially, the question: What would you do to have a friend? There’s also the interesting issue of the Witch’s curses, which she is able to bestow but not remove. Which I guess says something about the power to curse. There’s also the cool idea of ‘being larger inside than on the outside’ that the castle itself eminates. Of course, I think that same thing is true of all of the characters, and the castle is certainly a character.

    I would re-recommend the Kurasawa film recommended earlier, not because I have seen it, but because my mother, who was watching his stuff, couldn’t help but tell me about that movie. I hear he has a lot of excellent films.

    I would also say that Shymalan’s films are worth seeing, mostly because Night knows how to connect with the deeper (I guess?) parts of our consciousness. What symbolizes danger, evil, freedom, etc. Lady in the Water was a little odd, but I think forces you to be like a child to actually watch it, which is great. And prophesying by reading cereal box labels? Hilarious.

  24. dilys Says:

    “Now, there are many, many people who may outwardly look cognitively sophisticated, but who are simply holding on to a hypertrophied D function in order to avoid the persecution of PS.”

    Sr. Dilys just came home from a 21-hour day, reported running interference after a young lawyer who was
    (1) clueless about the work at hand;
    (2) impermeable to new information;
    (3) emotionally unintelligent so that energy was openly devoted mostly to justifying the mistakes as “right.”

    A pragmatic, honest school janitor would have looked like Enlighenment Itself in contrast to that.

    Poor, hypertrophied D.

    As to movies:
    –Karakter: life requires what it requires. Shortcuts not available.
    –Tampopo: what constitutes “help”
    –Barton Fink: don’t be naive and underestimate the archetypes
    Monsoon Wedding: except for a PC/child-abuse-vengeance piece, the dazzle of life. Live it!
    –Dersu Uzala: each is who he is

  25. Van Says:

    cosanostradamus Says:
    “Joe Vs. the Volcano…Don’t laugh, it’s really a great (if somewhat flawed) tale of a despairing horizontal man who ‘knows’ there is something more”

    A big 10-4! You’re the first person I’ve ‘met’ who had the same reaction to it as I did, especially the Moon scene.

    For another off the wall entry, I nominate “A Knight’s Tale”, one of Heath Ledger and Paul Bettany’s (as a fast talking Geoffrey Chaucer) first movies… it does a lot of goofy modern music (well, 70’s, 80’s) with jousting & courtly dancing… but it works.

    The overarching point is the main charachters determination to “change his stars” from being a squire to a Knight, and the integrity that that requires he recognize within himself and maintain between friends, love, sport and character. Doesn’t really have any “Full MOON rising” momens, but the overall experience of seeing someone do what is right, and triumphing BECAUSE of that – always gives me a charge.

  26. Van Says:

    HV Says:”Bob, it seems that my mind can’t accept the identification with O, though my intellect occasionally “gets it” in moments of insight. It seems there has to be some shift, maybe in the unconscious to finally indentify with O. ”

    I think it does require a shift, and sometimes it seems that I actually feel some turbulence in the top front part of the head when thinking new Bobble thoughts.

    Along with what Bob has been discussing the last few days, I think that the God sense is something that you do have to actually … um… welcome into your mind. In geek-speak-programmer lingo, it’s almost like an object that has to be manually instantiated as a parent-object, and after having done so, you find you have access to wider more integrated properties and access into your life and life in general, than you did before accessing it.

    A poster at the old site noted “Sounds like youre describing people who know everything and understand nothing. Chomsky and his ideas are a perfect example. Stunning intellect without the wisdom of your average high school janitor.” and I think that’s very true… these people just don’t have access to a wider integration of life, ideas and spirit, and it stunts their grasp and growth.

    Crud, late for work… new project & lingering cold is really cutting into my One Cosmos time, feels like I can’t quite get a full breath.

    I’m betting that the next big breakthrough in psychology/philosophy will come from someone really knowledgable in philosophy, neuroscience, Object Oriented Programming & relational database theory – I’m betting Polanyi (sp?) & Bion would have had many “Ooh! That’s just like [insert insight here]” moments with software.

    Now I’m REALLY late.

    sigh.

  27. Gecko Says:

    Then there is ET, and “What About Bob?.

  28. Jenny Says:

    HV – in my own experience, it was such a gradual process that I didn’t really know anything was happening until all of a sudden one day I’d have a huge insight that kind of lifted me to another level of knowing – which wears off into the mundane again in a few days – not that you don’t know it anymore, just that it’s assimilated into what you know and the insight just seems like “normal” everyday knowledge – until the next one comes.

    Probably sounds nutty, but I can’t think of any other way to explain it.

  29. cosanostradamus Says:

    How cool to see Dersu Uzala, Baron Munchausen, and Knights Tale on this growing list – all worth repeat viewings. And I’ll be checking out the ones I somehow missed (e.g. Spirited Away).

    I’d also add A Clockwork Orange, Brazil (long director’s cut only), and Aguirre: The Wrath of God for the darker side of things. Also the ‘other’ Fearless (the Jeff Bridges movie).

  30. HV Says:

    Van and Jenny, thanks for replying. It seems there are small shifts and big ones. Probably no one single way for it to happen. I think Jenny’s experience is similar to my own. Multiple insights over time. Eventually these may consolidate in the subconscious, and the old way of seeing the world will fall away.

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